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More flexible class sizes in store for Duval

Board, parents concerned about limits

Posted: April 8, 2014 - 7:16pm  |  Updated: April 9, 2014 - 8:01am
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Duval Superintendent Nikolai Vitti plans to use a more flexible interpretation of the state’s law on class size limits at schools next year.

Instead of certain “core” academic classes adhering to a flat limit on the number of students per teacher, Vitti plans to allow all district schools to function like “schools of choice,” which get to average out their class sizes by school building and still comply with Florida law.


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The change means core courses can end up with up to five more students per class than state-mandated limits.

Core courses include reading, math and science.

Florida voters approved class-size limits as an amendment to the state constitution in 2002 and reductions were phased in over time. Since the 2010-11 school year, the limits were 18 students in prekindergarten through grade 3; 22 students in grades 4 through 8, and 25 students in grades 9 through 12.

Districts going over those limits pay fines to the state. Duval, like many major districts, has paid millions in fines.

It will pay again next year, under Vitti’s proposal for the budget.

He estimates that even with greater flexibility with class sizes, the district will comply with about 90 percent of its classrooms and could pay a penalty of $1.4 million.

That would be cheaper than hiring enough teachers to meet the state’s laws, he said.

“That frees up money for us to spend on some other initiatives,” he said. “We will likely be one of the lowest in the state when it comes to compliance, but we have to be comfortable with that.”

Vitti said the move will save about $5 million and will allow Duval greater staffing flexibility, so a school won’t have to hire a new teacher the minute a class gains a new student above the state limit.

This way, he said, schools and the district can average out the sizes and ensure that there are enough teachers for elective courses, which don’t have state limits on size. This year some of those elective courses ballooned in size.

Vitti recommends that next year, academic electives have no more than 35 to 38 students per class, though other electives, such as physical education or band, may have more.

In the current school year, the district initially was going to be only 80 percent compliant, but at the last minute the district hired a lot of teachers and made schedule changes at the beginning of the school year, moving students and teachers around, to get 95 percent of its schools compliant.

It was costly, disruptive and something Vitti does not want to repeat.

Even so, several board members warned, these plans could start a storm of protests from parents. Board member Fel Lee told Vitti to expect many parent questions and comments at Thursday night’s community budget forum at Fletcher High.

“When they hear about this you’re going to have a storm on your hands,” he said.

Vitti responded: “I think we already have a storm on our hands.”

Fletcher parents have complained this year that some electives and advanced classes at the school are too full, Lee said. Some parents have asked him why some of Fletcher’s Advanced Placement classes had 35 students when Stanton’s and Paxon’s have smaller AP classes.

The same is true for other accelerated courses, such as International Baccalaureate and AICE courses.

Vitti said he doesn’t have enough money to make all those advanced courses shrink to 25 students per class, especially at big high schools with large numbers of students who need special classes, such as remedial help in reading or math. Vitti said it’s more important that those remedial classes shrink to below 35 students, so those students get more attention and can catch up to their peers in core subjects.

Besides, Vitti said, Fletcher offers more elective classes than most high schools, further exacerbating the teacher scheduling problems.

But, Lee said, some parents of advanced students will look to private schools or other schools if they’re not satisfied with class sizes.

“Thirty-eight students in an AP physics class is not going to sit well with them,” he said.

 

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Mockingjay
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Mockingjay 04/09/14 - 06:29 am
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Vitti looks to avoid the law

Vitti looks to avoid the law imposed by voters as Duval continues to falter because of leadership decisions like this ...

WHILE St Johns county has no problem abiding by the class size law flourishes and is the number one school system in the State.

Is it any wonder why people continue to flock to St. Johns County???

Vitti has the enough of the tax payers money to achieve class size he need only gain some guts and get rid of some of the dead weight he has sitting around that school board building

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Gadfly 04/09/14 - 03:26 pm
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Once again wouldn't it be a

Once again wouldn't it be a great if the T-U would tell the readers that DCPS over the years has received over $1 billion to get in compliance with the law but the superintendent still hasn't made any serious efforts to do so?

Clearly this superintendent does not care what the State Constitution says, he is going to take your tax dollars and spend it the way he sees fit.

If only we had an investigative journalist in Jacksonville brave enough to expose the fraud of the Class-Size amendment.

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mad 04/09/14 - 05:10 pm
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Agree with both posters

Agree with both posters above. People who care about there kids left for nieghboring counties allready. Vitti's administration thumbs there nose at the laws worse than any Ive seen. I thought it couldn't get any worse then Pratt-Daniels, but it is. When is Vitt's contract up? Its time to see him off.

it would be nice if the TU would stop pandering to every Super we have. There job is to ask hard questions.

Wisdom of Solomon
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Wisdom of Solomon 04/09/14 - 08:33 pm
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Mockingjay, just to be clear

Mockingjay, just to be clear here, schools and districts are graded and ranked according to the performance of the student population in those schools and districts. Since it is a research-supported fact that student performance and student poverty are highly correlated, try populating any school in St Johns County with a group of poor kids from Duval County and see what happens to that school's grade! Take a look at school grades side-by-side with the poverty level of those schools and you will see the correlation. With very few exceptions, the higher the poverty level, the lower the school grade. St Johns County benefits from the very "flocking" of students you pointed out. Poor families can't afford to live in St Johns County.

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Mockingjay 04/10/14 - 01:09 pm
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Since when has Vitti received

Since when has Vitti received the authority to interpret statute? !?

I think not! !!

Vitti better get his legal and binding opinon ready or his "interpretation" is worthless!

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jtaverna 04/10/14 - 02:51 pm
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Wisdom your are right in

Wisdom your are right in pointing out that there is a correlation between poverty and and student performance but the issue here is not the level of poverty and its impact on performance it is class size. There is adequate information to suggest that large class sizes have a negative impact on performance and it seems that the Superintendent's plan will result in larger class sizes across the board. At the same time it appears that many parents object to having larger class sizes for students in accelerated classes while not reducing the class size enough to benefit those with special needs. The Superintendent should start to pay attention to the voice of the community - open enrollment didn't fly and this looks like it will stall as well.

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Mockingjay 04/10/14 - 03:57 pm
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I'll say it out right Vitti

I'll say it out right

Vitti is not an attorney, he is in no position to interpret State Statute.

No one but the Office of General Council has the authority to interpret State Statute.

If Vitti has somehow become an attorney with the authority to interpret Florida Statute I want to see those credentials.

If a city attorney made the interpretation then by law it needs to legal and binding otherwise its worthless.

Dr. Vitti let's see your authority to change a voter referendum.

the_yes_man
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the_yes_man 04/10/14 - 08:38 pm
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It has nothing to do with

It has nothing to do with economics. It is race.

Mr McFeeley
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Mr McFeeley 04/10/14 - 09:48 pm
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Good job, Dr. Vitti. What a

Good job, Dr. Vitti. What a lesson to teach our students. Laws are just guidelines.

Wisdom of Solomon
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Wisdom of Solomon 04/10/14 - 11:33 pm
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Jtaverna . . . My response to

Jtaverna . . . My response to mockingJ had nothing to do with class size, rather it was in response to his obvious claim that St Johns and its schools are better than any others. I get tired of the constant comparison of apples to oranges.

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mad 04/11/14 - 04:24 pm
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So Vitti is going to break

So Vitti is going to break the law because he can afford to? What a jerk!

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