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Juror No. 8: Dunn guilty of second-degree murder

Posted: February 20, 2014 - 8:09pm  |  Updated: February 21, 2014 - 5:54pm
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The second juror from the Michael Dunn murder trial to go public agreed with her predecessor: Dunn murdered Jordan Davis.

She hopes the jury in the retrial will be able to agree on a verdict on the first-degree murder charge.

Creshuna Miles, 21, known as juror No. 8, told CNN she would have convicted Dunn on second-degree murder, not first-degree as sought by prosecutors.

Miles and the rest of the jury convicted him of three counts of attempted second-degree murder for firing at three teens with Dunn in their car in a Southside convenience store parking lot.

Miles said she thinks the jury made the right decision to come back with a partial verdict because they could not reach an agreement on the first-degree murder charge and she hopes the next jury will be able to do so.

The interview with CNN correspondent Alina Machado lasted about an hour but only an excerpt from the interview was released during “CNN Newsroom” at 3 p.m. A longer version of the interview aired on "Anderson Cooper 360" later Thursday.

Miles is from Riverside with no children. She was one of two black women on the jury.

Machado said she was also the youngest person on the jury.

“I never once thought about, ‘Oh, this was a black kid, this was a white guy.’ Because … that wasn’t the case,” Miles said to Machado.

Related: Juror #4: Majority felt Michael Dunn murdered Jordan Davis; Davis' mother said jury did its best

Jurors deadlocked on whether Dunn, 47, murdered 17-year-old Jordan Davis or shot him in self-defense. Judge Russell Healey declared a mistrial on the murder charge on Saturday.

Jurors did convict Dunn of the second-degree attempted murders of Leland Brunson, Tevin Thompson and Tommie Stornes, and also convicted him of a fourth count of firing bullets into the vehicle all four teenagers were in after a confrontation over loud music in November 2012.

Miles told Machado the trial wasn’t about race and that it was about justice.

“When I walked into it [the trial] I just wanted to bring justice to whoever it was,” Miles said in the interview. “If it was Michael Dunn I wanted to bring justice to him. If it was Leland, Tevin, Tommie or Jordan [the teens in the car] I wanted to bring justice to them.”

Machado asked Miles what she thought about people who are saying this was another white guy getting away with killing a black kid and Miles suggested those people don’t know the law.

“They should knowledge themselves on the law,” Miles told Machado.

Miles also told Machado she thinks Dunn is a "good guy" but that he did murder Davis.

She said she thought Dunn was acting in self defense until he continued firing when the vehicle was trying to flee.

The most impressive witness was Dunn's fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, Miles said in the interview.

She also said the jury started the Day with a prayer on Saturday, the final day of deliberation.

Before Miles, juror No. 4 was the first juror to go public in an interview with ABC News’ Byron Pitts earlier this week.

Juror No. 4 only gave her first name, Valerie. She is a home care nurse administrator from Arlington with no children, and said that the original vote was 10-2 on the first-degree murder charge.

She said the two jurors in the minority thought Dunn acted in self-defense and was justified in firing 10 shots into the car occupied by Davis and three friends. Juror No. 4 said the final vote was 9-3 in favor of conviction.

Dunn is scheduled to have a sentencing hearing the week of March 24. He faces a potential 105 years in prison on the four convictions, and under Florida’s minimum mandatory laws must be sentenced to at least 60 years.

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gunny48.5
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gunny48.5 02/20/14 - 08:54 pm
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Perhaps not the most eloquent

Perhaps not the most eloquent way of putting it but I would have no problem with this juror in any court case I was in. Thank you for doing the job.

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the_yes_man 02/20/14 - 09:06 pm
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Wow. There went the racist

Wow. There went the racist jury conspiracy theory.

lilrio
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lilrio 02/20/14 - 09:11 pm
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I thought she said it well.

I thought she said it well. Thank you for your service as a juror.

MyaPinion
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MyaPinion 02/20/14 - 09:23 pm
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I want to thank the jurors

I want to thank the jurors for doing a good job. This juror speaking the truth is astounding to say the least I just hope she does not get harrassed about speaking the truth of this case not being racial....because actually neither case ever was.

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Bull Gator2 02/20/14 - 09:35 pm
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I think this jury did the

I think this jury did the very best it could given the circumstances. I think Ms. Miles put it very well. They got the conviction they could, and now it is up to Corey to retry the first count.

IMHO Corey should leave well enough alone. I do not think she can get a 1st degree verdict.

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Gadfly 02/20/14 - 10:06 pm
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Who will be the first liberal

Who will be the first liberal reporter to ask a juror: "What did the jury make of the physical evidence that proved (contrary to what the teens said) that the window was actually down and the door was partially open and the bullet holes in the door and the wounds of Davis didn't match?"

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hjjrock 02/20/14 - 10:15 pm
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Man I am so sick of Liberal

Man I am so sick of Liberal this, Conservative that. Why can't we just move forward?. Media push those BS stories and everybody gets all worked up. Their all out to make money regardless of affiliation!

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Howard 02/21/14 - 12:04 am
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Gadfly, You are wrong.....You

Gadfly,
You are wrong.....You can not make up facts. There is absolutely no evidence for the crap you write. You keep lying every time you write that. You are making things up....believe what theory you want, but you can not make up facts. Go back and watch the trial.....Good Grief....

The Novak Effect
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The Novak Effect 02/21/14 - 12:27 am
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This juror is lacking

This juror is lacking knowledge of the details of this case.

The ability to offer the knowledgeable details of the trial still would not have altered the other jurors' not guilty belief. That was due to a lack of knowledge and possibly those jurors would not convict anyone that is white like them.

The lack of equal justice for African Americans will not result in an uprising against white people. As white people tend to project their belief of that onto others. This is just the continuation of the unequal justice system that African Americans suffer from.

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RandomGuy 02/21/14 - 12:30 am
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People like Gadfly are just

People like Gadfly are just trying to get a rise out of people. Pathetic.

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PhDBlack 02/21/14 - 07:59 am
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Do you really think any juror

Do you really think any juror is going to come out and say this case was about race, no. Defense attorney is waiting for any of them to say that to the media, ne would try and use that in his appeal.

Jurors would tell you anything at this time.....move on to the next jury is all we can do.

I would just like to hear from one of the three who did not think he was guilty......let's which one of those will talk first.

Peace

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Max mutt 02/21/14 - 08:57 am
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Amazingly this black juror

Amazingly this black juror did not believe race was the most important issue.
She actually thought that a drunk idiot shot a loudmouth.
Richard therefore believes that she did not understand the details of the case.

Why Richard?
Is she too young?
You are not thinking she is too stupid to understand because she is black?
Racism, Richard?
Maybe you should take Michael Jackson's advice and "look at the man in the mirror."

And PhD - you think she is lying?
Interesting assessment.
I'm sure she agreed to do an interview on CNN "so I can lie about this case and prove the jury was not racist."
Yep, that makes perfect sense.

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the_yes_man 02/21/14 - 09:05 am
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That's funny Richard! The

That's funny Richard!

The juror is lacking details of the case? So she sat as part of the jury and heard every bit of evidence and testimony there was.

But she lacks details. Good one!

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MyaPinion 02/21/14 - 09:48 am
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Sorry I have to say

Sorry I have to say this.....please dont be mad. The coverage that the Davis family just as the Martin family have been getting is totally unfair to ALL the other families who have lost their loved ones......especially ALL the cases that prosecutor Corey is suppose to seek justice for. Instead Coreys clearly demonstrates her pick n choose political media driven mentality. The sections of race & religion should not be viewed ....sadly it is though.

ALL cases should be given full attention for justice that ALL children and/or victims deserve. Unlike Angela Coreys lead investigator Dale Gilbreath filling out police reports in the past with an "N' for race, then only to be placed as lead investigator on these media hyped claimed racial cases.....UNBELIEVABLE!

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Gadfly 02/21/14 - 09:43 am
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@Howard, You are entitled to

@Howard,

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to make up your own facts. The testimony and physical evidence has been submitted in court and just because you don't want to address those facts proving self-defense, that does not make Gadfly a liar, actually it is the other way around.

The question remains: Why won't the liberal media ask the jury what they thought about the physical evidence that contradicted what the teens and team Cory testified to under oath, that is; the SUV window was actually down, the child safety lock was not engaged and the bullet holes in the door do not match up to the wounds of Davis unless the door was partially opened as Dunn claimed?

Howard, you and the liberal media can focus on race all you want. However, Gadfly will focus on the evidence.

I pray you never, ever stand on jury duty.

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ratter 02/21/14 - 09:54 am
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It seems some posters here

It seems some posters here should have been on the jury, as they seem to know more "details" than the original members in the courtroom.

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OhPlease987 02/21/14 - 11:01 am
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@Gadfly - You suffer from

@Gadfly - You suffer from confirmation bias. Rather than judging the overall validity of the self defense claim, you've taken your eye off the ball and would make a HORRIBLE juror. You are distracted by evidence that may or may not prove Jordan could have gotten out of the SUV. You are also hung up on the fact that Jordan had a pocket knife. None of that justifies Dunn's use of deadly force.

The standard jury instructions for self defense in Florida say: "In deciding whether the defendant was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing the defendant need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that THE DANGER COULD BE AVOIDED ONLY THROUGH THE USE OF THAT FORCE. Based upon appearances, the defendant must have actually believed that the danger was real."

Lets assume for the sake of argument that Davis was getting out of the car and wielding that pocket knife to threaten Dunn. A reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would avoid the perceived danger by rolling up his window and driving away. So even if Davis was actually able to get out of the SUV and even if he had taken out the knife that was in his pocket (which we have no reason to believe he ever did), Dunn was in a car and Davis would have been on foot. The time Dunn spent grabbing his gun, unholstering it, and preparing to shoot was long enough for him to simply close his window and drive away to avoid the perceived threat. The two jurors who have spoken to the media believe a reasonable person in Dunn's situation would have realized deadly force was not his only option.

To make it even clearer for the jurors, Dunn never mentioned the story about a shotgun to anyone (not even his fiancé) until after he was arrested in Satellite Beach. Most of the jurors are smart enough to realize he didn't even believe that story. The jury instructions say for deadly force to be justified, "Based upon appearances, the defendant must have actually believed that the danger was real." Since the defendant probably didn't even believe he saw a shotgun, his self defense claim didn't hold water.

I am sure you will continue to obsess over the defense arguments you believe show the door was opened, because that is the only evidence you can hang onto in an attempt to confirm your preconceived notions about this case. Even if the door was opened, Dunn wasn't justified in shooting. The jurors were focused on the big picture (the overall validity of the self defense claim) and 75% of them believed deadly force was not justified.

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PhDBlack 02/21/14 - 10:03 am
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@Max mutt you got

@Max mutt you got it......lets get ready for the next trial.....one thing for sure you nor I will be on the jury.....peace......

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the_yes_man 02/21/14 - 10:12 am
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PhDBlack do you think she is

PhDBlack do you think she is lying because she is black? That's what it seems like.

Racist.

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Bull Gator2 02/21/14 - 10:22 am
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As I said in my earlier post,

As I said in my earlier post, I think this jury did as well as it possibly could under the circumstances'. Gunny, Max and PhD, have their heads on straight, sorry I cannot say that about some of the other posters. They accuse jurors, and the system for getting it wrong. It is very clear that their own personal bias is showing through.

Like gunny I would have no problem with this juror sitting on any case. She seems logical and well reasoned.

Lets move on. Sadly some will not let this drop. Corey is going to bring a first degree charge again, and she in all likelihood cannot win that. Not because Dunn is not guilty of killing Davis, but because first degree is an overcharge. Go for second degree and lesser included charges. That will stick. Dunn is already going to spend the rest of his life in prison, so a second degree conviction is not going to add anything to this case other than maybe some closure. Even then that will not be good enough for some on here.

ILiveHereToo
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ILiveHereToo 02/21/14 - 10:33 am
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From one Gunny to another,

From one Gunny to another, what is the standard for eloquence?

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Grandmother 02/21/14 - 10:37 am
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This was a thoughtful jury.

This was a thoughtful jury. However, state overcharged and jury did not fully understand lessor includes. There was No evidence of a gun..not from his girlfriend nor does Dunn mention a gun in his two hour visit with his son. He says :" I was the fkn victim here, I was the victor but I'm also the victim here" But goes on to say they cursed at me. NO WHERE does DUNN ever say to his girl friend that night or in his son's jail house interview that he saw a gun.

If DUNN thought he saw a gun, he would have mentioned that to his girlfriend on the way back to his motel to order a pizza and rent a 25.00 movie..btw, bypassing a policeman right across the street writing a ticket.

He thought he would get away and if it weren't for that homeless guy and his girlfriend who wrote down his license tag, he may have been successful.

He has a bad history which was not brought out by state. Buzzing protected air space with FBI forcing him down and DUI with not completing hours so warrant was issued and his former neighbor.

If anyone is interested in viewing trial, croakerqueen123 posts many on her u tube channel. No side bars just straight through.

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Grandmother 02/21/14 - 10:38 am
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This was a thoughtful jury.

This was a thoughtful jury. However, state overcharged and jury did not fully understand lessor includes. There was No evidence of a gun..not from his girlfriend nor does Dunn mention a gun in his two hour visit with his son. He says :" I was the fkn victim here, I was the victor but I'm also the victim here" But goes on to say they cursed at me. NO WHERE does DUNN ever say to his girl friend that night or in his son's jail house interview that he saw a gun.

If DUNN thought he saw a gun, he would have mentioned that to his girlfriend on the way back to his motel to order a pizza and rent a 25.00 movie..btw, bypassing a policeman right across the street writing a ticket.

He thought he would get away and if it weren't for that homeless guy and his girlfriend who wrote down his license tag, he may have been successful.

He has a bad history which was not brought out by state. Buzzing protected air space with FBI forcing him down and DUI with not completing hours so warrant was issued and his former neighbor.

If anyone is interested in viewing trial, croakerqueen123 posts many on her u tube channel. No side bars just straight through.

Grandmother
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Grandmother 02/21/14 - 10:42 am
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Please excuse the over

Please excuse the over posting. I think my IPad is on steroids.;-)
This was a thoughtful jury. However, state overcharged and jury did not fully understand lessor includes. There was No evidence of a gun..not from his girlfriend nor does Dunn mention a gun in his two hour visit with his son. He says :" I was the fkn victim here, I was the victor but I'm also the victim here" But goes on to say they cursed at me. NO WHERE does DUNN ever say to his girl friend that night or in his son's jail house interview that he saw a gun.

If DUNN thought he saw a gun, he would have mentioned that to his girlfriend on the way back to his motel to order a pizza and rent a 25.00 movie..btw, bypassing a policeman right across the street writing a ticket.

He thought he would get away and if it weren't for that homeless guy and his girlfriend who wrote down his license tag, he may have been successful.

He has a bad history which was not brought out by state. Buzzing protected air space with FBI forcing him down and DUI with not completing hours so warrant was issued and his former neighbor.

If anyone is interested in viewing trial, croakerqueen123 posts many on her u tube channel. No side bars just straight through.

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PhDBlack 02/21/14 - 11:03 am
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@the_yes_man I never said she

@the_yes_man I never said she was lying, what I said was, I don't feel that any juror would go before the media and say they thought this case was about race..... the defense is just waiting on a juror to say something like that so they can use that in their appeal.....how about going back and reading my previous post I don't think that you will see the read lying in the post anywhere.

It has nothing to do with the race of the juror.

Peace

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PhDBlack 02/21/14 - 11:08 am
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@Bull Gator2 you do realize

@Bull Gator2 you do realize that even if Corey goes for first degree they can still convict on 2nd degree or manslaughter, this jury had that option. I also think that Corey should bring the charge down to 2nd degree even she is technically right in her explanation of the charge, if she wants a murder conviction she has to bend.

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Gordon 02/22/14 - 10:20 am
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Gadfly, let me reiterate what

Gadfly, let me reiterate what I have said before and also what is repeated above. After you had just unloaded your gun into a vehicle and your fiancee returned to the car, would your comment to her be "someone just threatened me and I was in fear for my life" or what he simply said: "I hate thug music"? What would be foremost on your mind if you had been in fact defending yourself, a life threat or a music critique?

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OhPlease987 02/21/14 - 12:11 pm
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A lot of people think Dunn

A lot of people think Dunn was overcharged, but I'm not so sure this wasn't first degree murder under Florida law. I at least see logic in allowing the jury to consider first degree as an option. This is the legal definition of premeditation in Florida:
"Premeditation is the essential element which distinguishes first-degree murder from second-degree murder.

Premeditation is defined as more than a mere intent to kill; it is a fully formed conscious purpose to kill.

This purpose to kill may be formed a moment before the act but must exist for a sufficient length of time to permit reflection as to the nature of the act to be committed and the probable result of that act."

I got that definition from this website: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Premeditation.aspx

In the midst of the argument, Dunn remembered he had a gun with him. He then decided he would shoot at the teens, and he knew the purpose was to kill and the probable result of shooting them was death or serious injury. Nonetheless, he leaned over to the passenger side of his car, opened the glove box, got the gun out, unholstered it, took the safety off, etc. before he aimed and started pulling the trigger over and over again. Maybe the purpose to kill was formed just a moment before he grabbed the gun, but that's still premeditation. During the time when he was planning and preparing to use his gun, no shots had been fired at him, no one was pointing a gun at him or attempting to physically harm him. Dunn clearly had sufficient time to reflect about what he was going to do and the probable result of those actions. He could have chosen to drive away without firing the gun, or he could have chosen to fire a warning shot. Instead, he deliberately shot right at Jordan Davis. Perhaps all the alcohol he drank at his son's wedding reception clouded his judgement, but being drunk isn't a legally acceptable excuse for not thinking about the consequences of your actions.

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jnfsu 02/21/14 - 12:23 pm
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MyaPinion - I don't know

MyaPinion - I don't know anything about the investigator you mentioned, but wouldn't it be correct to put an "N" for Negroe or Negroid for the race of a black person, just as you could put a "C" for Caucasian for the race of a white person? Of course, it should be standardized to avoid confusion and inaccuracies.

MyaPinion
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MyaPinion 02/21/14 - 12:46 pm
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@jnfsu - I agree with you but

@jnfsu - I agree with you but would like to mention as I have been told by other law enforcement officers during that time there was not that option on police reports only "W' for White or "B" for Black.

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Gadfly 02/21/14 - 02:41 pm
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@Gordon, It matters not what

@Gordon,

It matters not what the exact first words Dunn should have said after firing in self-defense, what matters is, does the evidence support self-defense?

You can't decide that if the jury refused to weigh the critical evidence for self-defense.

Don't worry, sooner or later one of the jurors who thought Dunn acted out of self-defense will come forward. He is going to tell us just what the jury thought about the physical evidence that contradicted the testimony of the teens in the SUV.

Aren't you the least bit curious or are you so convinced that Gunn was guilty because of the color of his skin and that he fired more than one shot?

OhPlease987
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OhPlease987 02/21/14 - 05:26 pm
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@Gadfly - Do you have any

@Gadfly - Do you have any response to what I wrote to you above?

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bigboss187 02/21/14 - 05:41 pm
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that why i not watch news

that why i not watch news doing the trial at the time i had better stuff to do like study my laws book

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Gadfly 02/21/14 - 07:10 pm
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@OhPlease, I have already

@OhPlease,

I have already tried to reason with you before but you proved you are suffering from 'confirmation bias'. You refuse to consider real evidence that proves self-defense, in order to continue to believe what you want to believe.

Most liberals/racists agree; Gunn is guilty because of the color of his skin and he fired more than one shot.
The evidence for self-defense matters not to people like OhPlease.

Which is why I pray you never, ever stand on jury duty.

Sad, so sad.

RandomGuy
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RandomGuy 02/21/14 - 07:50 pm
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@Gadfly isn't here to reason

@Gadfly isn't here to reason with anyone. He/she is only here to troll and try to get a rise out of people. Pathetic.

OhPlease987
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OhPlease987 02/21/14 - 11:45 pm
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@Gadfly - I'm neither a

@Gadfly - I'm neither a liberal nor a racist, and I would feel the same way if Dunn was a black man and Davis and his friends were white teenagers playing death metal. Dunn and his fiancé cast doubt on his claim about the shotgun. If there was actually a shotgun, it's their fault no one believes it. They shouldn't have fled. They should have told the cops to look for it. If the jurors don't believe there was a shotgun, then they won't believe Dunn was in imminent danger. Evidence about bullet trajectory and window positions is white noise.

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Gadfly 02/22/14 - 12:12 am
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@RandomGuy and OhPlease, What

@RandomGuy and OhPlease,

What is the point? You had many chances to address the physical evidence for self-defense but instead you decided to default to calling Gadfly a liar (how original is that?) and after Gadfly pointed out the trial evidence that anyone can look up you both decided to go off to la, la land.

That is expected of liberals and/or racists suffering from 'confirmation bias'.
Your mental problem has been well documented for over 50 years and dishonest prosecutors prey on it when they know the facts are not on their side.

How can Gadfly debate the facts regarding self-defense with people who care not about the facts for self-defense?

What is sad about all this is; in due time this case will be overturned and yet you two still won't understand your bias against people who won't surrender their lives to thugs who want to kill them.

From whence does such evil come from?
Yes, Gadfly knows.

Sad, so sad.

Still, the T-U still loves you and so does the liberal media.
Does that make you feel any better?

OhPlease987
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OhPlease987 02/22/14 - 10:26 am
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@Gadfly - you need a reality

@Gadfly - you need a reality check. I never called you a liar. I simply tried to explain how the evidence you pointed to is ambiguous and does not come close to proving Dunn was acting in self defense. You only need to look at the jury instructions to see that Dunn's use of deadly force was not justified.

This case isn't political to me, but I always thought liberals are the ones who are "soft on crime" and would be more likely to let a drunk driving liar who killed a kid and fled the scene get away with murder. Aren't you the one exhibiting that behavior? Can you honestly say you would defend a black man as passionately as you have defended Dunn if he drove drunk and shot into a car full of white punks playing loud music then tried to evade the police? I doubt it.

"People display [confirmation] bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position."

Gadfly is a hypocrite.

Gadfly
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Gadfly 02/22/14 - 11:38 am
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OhPlease posted: "Evidence

OhPlease posted: "Evidence about bullet trajectory and window positions is white noise."...OhPlease

There you have it. OhPlease does not feel the need to consider evidence for self-defense.

Thank you for proving my point that you are suffering from 'confirmation bias' and can not handle the truth.

You have a classic case of 'confirmation bias'. Although OhPlease would never, ever admit to it (which is also proof) at least others got to see it at work.

I pray you never, ever sit on jury duty.

OhPlease987
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OhPlease987 02/22/14 - 04:11 pm
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"In deciding whether the

"In deciding whether the defendant was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing the defendant need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that THE DANGER COULD BE AVOIDED ONLY THROUGH THE USE OF THAT FORCE. Based upon appearances, the defendant must have actually believed that the danger was real."

Gadfly would rather focus on figuring out whether Jordan Davis' window and door were open, than determine if the drunk guy who killed him was justified based on the laws of Florida. He interprets ambiguous evidence as support for his side of the argument. That is a classic case of confirmation bias, my friends.

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